“Something strange is happening on the American right. In just a few years, a movement that once claimed to champion Western civilization began to entertain arguments that Winston Churchill was the real villain of World War II, that Hitler didn’t intend the Holocaust, and that Stalin wasn’t so bad after all.

These ideas aren’t staying on the fringes. They’re being promoted on the most-watched conservative shows in the country. Tucker Carlson has given airtime to revisionists like Darryl Cooper. An audience that once idolized Churchill and Ronald Reagan now cheers on people like Nick Fuentes, who has praised both Hitler and Stalin.

To understand how we got here, I spoke with Victor Davis Hanson—a classicist, historian, and farmer, and one of the right’s most intellectually consistent voices. We discuss Tucker’s evolution, the allure of conspiracy, the double standard of “lawfare” against and by Trump, and how social media has turned contrarianism into a business model.

This episode asks hard questions about the future of conservatism: What happens when skepticism curdles into nihilism? Or when opposition to the left becomes sympathy for its historic enemies? And can serious thinkers still guide a movement increasingly hooked on provocation rather than principle”